She interviews made in Hebrew Weekly publication by Ana Jerozolimski
Few months ago, in the mark of the weekly information that different institutions of the collective make us arrive for the section Window open to our collective", the Integral School included one that interested us especially: it had organized an encounter with Carlos Paez, in which counted the students about the tragedy of you Walk them.
We decide to contact him immediately, with the help of Yael, Secretary of the Managing Eduardo Tornaría. Carlos accepted immediately to grant us the interview that for technical reasons, it should be carried out by mail electronic. Their regular trips delayed it until today. Although of that conference in the Integral one already spent a time, the topic doesn't leave of being of interest and for that reason we publish it today.
P: Carlos, above all I thank you to have accepted to grant me this interview. The idea arose when finding out for the Integral School that you/they had had an activity with you in whose mark spoke the boys. That was not the first time that you meet with students, with young in general, truth?
R: In fact, yes I gave conferences for young and I should admit that they are those that but I like then it is incredible as they react and the passion that he/she wakes up in them. I believe firmly that they are identified then in definitive it is young people's history.
P: How do the boys react? I suppose that some should believe that they are speaking with an almost historical figure, for the dimension of what you lived.
R: I believe that if ,me comes as somebody of the history, until many times they doubt that it is our true history, many think that it was fruit of the imagination of somebody in Hollywood
P: How was your encounter in the Integral School? With what impression did you leave?
R: I left with an excellent impression. Many of them also sent me mails being what had seemed them, divine the small and super educated.
The tragedy seen by Carlos Páez:
On Friday October 13 1972 an Uruguayan airplane that took 45 passengers to Chile, of which many were students and players of a rugby team, you shatters in the Mountain range of you Walk them. Twelve died because of the fall, the survivors to this they had to support among other things to the terrible Mountain range, thirty degrees under zero during the nights and to the hunger.
They tried to resist with the scarce nutritious reservations that possessed, waiting to be rescued, but their hope fell when finding out for a radio that had given way the search.
Desperate in the face of the absence of foods and out their physical resistance, they were forced to feed of their dead partners to be able to continue living. Finally fed up with the low temperatures, the lowering avalanches, anguished by the continuous death of their partners and the slow wait of the rescue, two of the rugbiers decide to cross the immense mountains it stops this way to arrive in Chile.
This way it is as December of 1972, 22 after having been during 72 isolated days of everything, the world finds out that sixteen are the survivors that conquered to the death in the Mountain range of you Walk them.
P: Was there in this case of the Integral one or in other previous ones, do you ask that you were surprised you/they?
R: A different question honestly never appears, along these thirty years the questions are always the same ones
P: What is it in general that that more it interests the boys? Are there questions that repeat a lot?
R: The questions like he/she told you they are always the same ones, if I am him afraid to the airplane for that we didn't make fire etc., they always repeat
P: I suppose that it won't be easy to remember everything, but at the same time, maybe help to fight with the memory the accident in you Walk them, counting on the same one. Is it this way really, do that combination of difficulty and necessity to take out the things stop out?
R: To my I don't find difficult to speak of the topic, it will be that he/she always speaks from the beginning to it, I assumed that it is a history that doesn't belong me to my but, it belongs to the world, me only the story and I make it with passion.
P: Would you say that today, Carlos Páez is very different to what would have been without that accident? In other words: did that change you?
R: I believe that the permanent thing in the human being is the change. I should accept that to my if I change myself and it stops well. I believe that I become somebody useful for the society ...antes of that I was a lowbred and capricious boy, a good one for anything. The history of you Walk them it woke up me, he/she made me give bill that the road was on the other hand.
P: In Juan's book Raúl Ferreira, With the Homeland in the Valise is a sentence that I had left recorded -among many other - and that I have already mentioned inclusive in these pages in another occasion: "Does the pain hurt, but does he/she teach". What did he/she leave you that experience in the mountain range?
R: I agree with Juan Raúl, because the pain hurts but he/she makes you grow, as I told you previously this history he/she made me to grow and to evolve it stops better.
P: How was it your to fight personal with the situation in the one that you lived? Can you be of same vos in that time, 33 years ago, how were you?
R: I believe that the humor in the personal thing helped me a lot in that situation., the optimism on the edge of the unconsciousness was very important to fight genetically with that situation and me I am optimistic and of very good sense of humor. I believe that that helps myself to my and the group.
P: To be able to survive this way in a situation, is it only question of luck or of a special emotional integrity? Of physical strength neither I ask you because I give had sat down that he/she helps a lot. But the question is if in a situation this way, they leave to the human being forces that maybe neither he/she believed that he/she had.
R: I believe that the luck is an important ingredient but the spiritual strength is it but and neither that to speak the group. This history or rather its result, was super thanks to a human group healthy mental and spiritually.
P: Returning to the encounters with students, at different levels, I suppose that in different parts of the country. I am sure that emblems a lot to them, teachings of life, I eat up they commented in the Integral one. But would you say that they also leave you?
R: Neither that to speak that to my they leave me a lot, I learn much of their capacity of astonishment that I eat your you will understand the I have well weakened. Finally I count you that I sit down a great pride and a great happiness that God me of the opportunity of sharing my history with thousands and people's thousands and especially with young boys that are without place to even doubts of those that we live this extraordinary history.
Carlos remembers:
In the world they take place 100.000 strong storms annually. 10.000 floods or strong grown. Thousands of slips of lands. More than 100 destructive earthquakes. Hundred of forest fires. Several dozens of hurricanes, hurricanes, typhoons and tornados, volcanic eruptions and periods of drought. But only an airplane smashed once, 30 years ago, in the mountain range of you Walk Them allowing us God to a group of Uruguayans, to survive for, - paraphrasing the great Austrian poet Rilke–to demonstrate that the love of a human being for another is perhaps for each one of us the most difficult test, the highest testimony of ourselves; the supreme work of which all the other ones are only preparations."
Few months ago, in the mark of the weekly information that different institutions of the collective make us arrive for the section Window open to our collective", the Integral School included one that interested us especially: it had organized an encounter with Carlos Paez, in which counted the students about the tragedy of you Walk them.
We decide to contact him immediately, with the help of Yael, Secretary of the Managing Eduardo Tornaría. Carlos accepted immediately to grant us the interview that for technical reasons, it should be carried out by mail electronic. Their regular trips delayed it until today. Although of that conference in the Integral one already spent a time, the topic doesn't leave of being of interest and for that reason we publish it today.
P: Carlos, above all I thank you to have accepted to grant me this interview. The idea arose when finding out for the Integral School that you/they had had an activity with you in whose mark spoke the boys. That was not the first time that you meet with students, with young in general, truth?
R: In fact, yes I gave conferences for young and I should admit that they are those that but I like then it is incredible as they react and the passion that he/she wakes up in them. I believe firmly that they are identified then in definitive it is young people's history.
P: How do the boys react? I suppose that some should believe that they are speaking with an almost historical figure, for the dimension of what you lived.
R: I believe that if ,me comes as somebody of the history, until many times they doubt that it is our true history, many think that it was fruit of the imagination of somebody in Hollywood
P: How was your encounter in the Integral School? With what impression did you leave?
R: I left with an excellent impression. Many of them also sent me mails being what had seemed them, divine the small and super educated.
The tragedy seen by Carlos Páez:
On Friday October 13 1972 an Uruguayan airplane that took 45 passengers to Chile, of which many were students and players of a rugby team, you shatters in the Mountain range of you Walk them. Twelve died because of the fall, the survivors to this they had to support among other things to the terrible Mountain range, thirty degrees under zero during the nights and to the hunger.
They tried to resist with the scarce nutritious reservations that possessed, waiting to be rescued, but their hope fell when finding out for a radio that had given way the search.
Desperate in the face of the absence of foods and out their physical resistance, they were forced to feed of their dead partners to be able to continue living. Finally fed up with the low temperatures, the lowering avalanches, anguished by the continuous death of their partners and the slow wait of the rescue, two of the rugbiers decide to cross the immense mountains it stops this way to arrive in Chile.
This way it is as December of 1972, 22 after having been during 72 isolated days of everything, the world finds out that sixteen are the survivors that conquered to the death in the Mountain range of you Walk them.
P: Was there in this case of the Integral one or in other previous ones, do you ask that you were surprised you/they?
R: A different question honestly never appears, along these thirty years the questions are always the same ones
P: What is it in general that that more it interests the boys? Are there questions that repeat a lot?
R: The questions like he/she told you they are always the same ones, if I am him afraid to the airplane for that we didn't make fire etc., they always repeat
P: I suppose that it won't be easy to remember everything, but at the same time, maybe help to fight with the memory the accident in you Walk them, counting on the same one. Is it this way really, do that combination of difficulty and necessity to take out the things stop out?
R: To my I don't find difficult to speak of the topic, it will be that he/she always speaks from the beginning to it, I assumed that it is a history that doesn't belong me to my but, it belongs to the world, me only the story and I make it with passion.
P: Would you say that today, Carlos Páez is very different to what would have been without that accident? In other words: did that change you?
R: I believe that the permanent thing in the human being is the change. I should accept that to my if I change myself and it stops well. I believe that I become somebody useful for the society ...antes of that I was a lowbred and capricious boy, a good one for anything. The history of you Walk them it woke up me, he/she made me give bill that the road was on the other hand.
P: In Juan's book Raúl Ferreira, With the Homeland in the Valise is a sentence that I had left recorded -among many other - and that I have already mentioned inclusive in these pages in another occasion: "Does the pain hurt, but does he/she teach". What did he/she leave you that experience in the mountain range?
R: I agree with Juan Raúl, because the pain hurts but he/she makes you grow, as I told you previously this history he/she made me to grow and to evolve it stops better.
P: How was it your to fight personal with the situation in the one that you lived? Can you be of same vos in that time, 33 years ago, how were you?
R: I believe that the humor in the personal thing helped me a lot in that situation., the optimism on the edge of the unconsciousness was very important to fight genetically with that situation and me I am optimistic and of very good sense of humor. I believe that that helps myself to my and the group.
P: To be able to survive this way in a situation, is it only question of luck or of a special emotional integrity? Of physical strength neither I ask you because I give had sat down that he/she helps a lot. But the question is if in a situation this way, they leave to the human being forces that maybe neither he/she believed that he/she had.
R: I believe that the luck is an important ingredient but the spiritual strength is it but and neither that to speak the group. This history or rather its result, was super thanks to a human group healthy mental and spiritually.
P: Returning to the encounters with students, at different levels, I suppose that in different parts of the country. I am sure that emblems a lot to them, teachings of life, I eat up they commented in the Integral one. But would you say that they also leave you?
R: Neither that to speak that to my they leave me a lot, I learn much of their capacity of astonishment that I eat your you will understand the I have well weakened. Finally I count you that I sit down a great pride and a great happiness that God me of the opportunity of sharing my history with thousands and people's thousands and especially with young boys that are without place to even doubts of those that we live this extraordinary history.
Carlos remembers:
In the world they take place 100.000 strong storms annually. 10.000 floods or strong grown. Thousands of slips of lands. More than 100 destructive earthquakes. Hundred of forest fires. Several dozens of hurricanes, hurricanes, typhoons and tornados, volcanic eruptions and periods of drought. But only an airplane smashed once, 30 years ago, in the mountain range of you Walk Them allowing us God to a group of Uruguayans, to survive for, - paraphrasing the great Austrian poet Rilke–to demonstrate that the love of a human being for another is perhaps for each one of us the most difficult test, the highest testimony of ourselves; the supreme work of which all the other ones are only preparations."
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